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in new orleans, when they had hurricane katrina, a lot of the medicine wound up seeping back into the market and being sold to some of these nefarious on- line companies. some are good, but it is hard to distinguish. in the maryland area, you don't have to do it. your veterinarians are not that expensive. i believe they will match the prices are even be below the prices. >> , in his four -- how common is a forecast to develop crystals in their europurine? >> it happens this time of year, when temperature changes happen. there is a little bone in the male penis of a cat. these crystals coalesce around that bonn and create an obstruction and the cats to die within 24 hours. the urine backs up into the kidneys and killed in the kidneys. if your animal is straining or you see blood in the urine, call your veterinarian immediately. it is not as dangerous for females. but for male cats, take your cat to the vet. >> we appreciate the vise. thanks nico. >> i like this dog progress he is adorable. >> city police opened fire on an armed man this morning. investigators shine more light on what h
in new orleans, when they had hurricane katrina, a lot of the medicine wound up seeping back into the market and being sold to some of these nefarious on- line companies. some are good, but it is hard to distinguish. in the maryland area, you don't have to do it. your veterinarians are not that expensive. i believe they will match the prices are even be below the prices. >> , in his four -- how common is a forecast to develop crystals in their europurine? >> it happens this time of...
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bush. >> if the republicans want to defend the bush administration's response to katrina i'm sure the president would give them his time during the debate. >> as long as we're talking about troublesome videos this clip of congressman paul ryan weighing in on the makers and the takers rose to the surface last night as well. >> before too long we could become a society we were never ever intended to be. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers not makers. 70% of americans get more benefits from the federal government in dollar value than they pay back in taxes. so you could argue that we're already passed that tipping point. the good news is, survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center right 70/30 country. 70% of americans want the american dream. they believe in the american idea. only 30% want the welfare state. >> which video is more sensat n sensational? more of a game-changing contest modifier. joining us from the site of tonight's debate in denver is the man who knows from game change, emmy darling, "time" magazine and msn
bush. >> if the republicans want to defend the bush administration's response to katrina i'm sure the president would give them his time during the debate. >> as long as we're talking about troublesome videos this clip of congressman paul ryan weighing in on the makers and the takers rose to the surface last night as well. >> before too long we could become a society we were never ever intended to be. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers not...
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president obama telll an audience of black ministers that the u-s government neglected hurricane katrina victims. victims. 2:10-2:43 whole srrck in florida they said... heres the money... because youre part of the american familywhat happened down in new orleans............ makes no sense... bullet hasnt been taken out.. the people ddwn innnew orleans ttey don't care about as much. much.obama later stttee the incompetence."the 40 minnte video was shoo innjune of 2007 at hampton university in associated press. obama supporters are now claimmnn the timing of the release is suspect. &pthere's a new head of f-b-- operations in baltimoree stephen vogt haa bben naaed as f-b-i field office.vogg ty's starred with the agency in 19- 89.his most recent assignment was in afghanistan. ptreet in little italy.we shot this video of albemarle petween styles and fawn can see, a sinkhole about the size of a car opened up in the street.this section of albemmrle has been shht down. no worddon when the inkhole will be fixed... or when the road will reopen. a brave dog in rhode island purvives n 11-hour ride..
president obama telll an audience of black ministers that the u-s government neglected hurricane katrina victims. victims. 2:10-2:43 whole srrck in florida they said... heres the money... because youre part of the american familywhat happened down in new orleans............ makes no sense... bullet hasnt been taken out.. the people ddwn innnew orleans ttey don't care about as much. much.obama later stttee the incompetence."the 40 minnte video was shoo innjune of 2007 at hampton university...
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says that the administration was color blind, but that they clearly had dealt with the reaction to katrina wrongly, which any number of national polls said that most citizens felt, so i mean, if this is the best they've got, then i think the president's in great shape. >> so, the other tape that's getting a lot of attention, the "huffington post" releasing video of paul ryan talking about a quote, moral tipping point, in the united states, six months before the 47% comments. take a look. >> the good news is survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center right 70-30 country. 70% of americans want the american dream. they believe the american idea. only 30% want the welfare state. >> all right, so he at least gives credit to 17% more people than mitt romney did, but how damminging is that f in to have the same mentality, considering there's a minority portion that would rather get welfare checks than jobs? >> i think whether it's condemning or not is defining because it shows that both the presidential and vice presidential candidates and the republican party have the
says that the administration was color blind, but that they clearly had dealt with the reaction to katrina wrongly, which any number of national polls said that most citizens felt, so i mean, if this is the best they've got, then i think the president's in great shape. >> so, the other tape that's getting a lot of attention, the "huffington post" releasing video of paul ryan talking about a quote, moral tipping point, in the united states, six months before the 47% comments....
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president obama tells an audieece of black ministers ttat the u-s government negleeted hurricane katrina victiis because of raci. rrcism. 2:10--:43 whole sot:when hurricane andrew sruck in florida they said... heres the money... pbcause youre parr of the american familywhat happened orleans............ makes no sense....bullet hasnt been taken out.. the people down in pew hasnt been taken out.. makes no sense... ullet hhsnt beenaken out.. thh people orleans they don't care about aa much. much.the 40 minute video wass shot in june of 2007 at reverend jeremiah wright was in the audience.he's thee president's former everenn who came under fire during the 2008 presidentiil campaign for his raciaaly chargee sermons. phere's a new head of f-b-i operattons in baltimore. stephen vvgg has bben nammd as the new leader of the city's f-b-i field offiie.vogt started with the agency in 19- 89.his most recent assignment was in afghanistan. 3 the orioles got dominated by tampa bay's pitcher last night.... but still managed to pull out a viccory in the second to last game of he seas. seasoo. but the red
president obama tells an audieece of black ministers ttat the u-s government negleeted hurricane katrina victiis because of raci. rrcism. 2:10--:43 whole sot:when hurricane andrew sruck in florida they said... heres the money... pbcause youre parr of the american familywhat happened orleans............ makes no sense....bullet hasnt been taken out.. the people down in pew hasnt been taken out.. makes no sense... ullet hhsnt beenaken out.. thh people orleans they don't care about aa much....
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he made some comments about resources, he made some comments about federal response to katrina. i mean, it's just a damp squid and i don't think that -- i think if you look at most of the media today, outside of the one that chose to highlight that particular story, not many people are paying it much attention because it is really frankly not worth much attention. what's new about it? you tell me, tamron. >> nothing new about it. i thought you were going to compare to al capone's vault, a big television special here in the states. >> no, no, hitler's die ritz were better. hitler's diaries were better.are better. hitler's diaries were better. urge i have to switch you around to congressman ryan's tape the "huffington post" revealed where he is talking about 70% of american public want the american dream while 30% want welfare and look to welfare this is being compared to romney's 47% comment. is that a fair camp pairson there? >> well, i think you have to give mitt romney and paul ryan a great deem of credit. they are consistently ar r lyco matically wrong. they can't decide how
he made some comments about resources, he made some comments about federal response to katrina. i mean, it's just a damp squid and i don't think that -- i think if you look at most of the media today, outside of the one that chose to highlight that particular story, not many people are paying it much attention because it is really frankly not worth much attention. what's new about it? you tell me, tamron. >> nothing new about it. i thought you were going to compare to al capone's vault, a...
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video released yesterday, then candidate obama was critical of the government's response to hurricane katrina. >> when hurricane andrew struck in florida, people said, look at this devastation. we don't expect you to come up with the money. here's the money to rebuild. we're not going to wait for you to scratch it together because you're part of the american family. what's happening down in new orleans? where's your dollar in where's your staff for that money? makes no sense. tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out. [ applause ] tells me that somehow the people down in new orleans, they don't care about as much. >> now, a portion of this speech had been covered by several news organizations, including msnbc. during the 2008 presidential campaign but yesterday, the speech in its entirety was made available and posted at the daily caller. it included comments mr. obama made praising his pastor at the time, the reverend jeremiah wright. less than a year later, president obama cut ties with mr. wright after clips came out of the pastor's racially charged sermons. the obama campaign released a s
video released yesterday, then candidate obama was critical of the government's response to hurricane katrina. >> when hurricane andrew struck in florida, people said, look at this devastation. we don't expect you to come up with the money. here's the money to rebuild. we're not going to wait for you to scratch it together because you're part of the american family. what's happening down in new orleans? where's your dollar in where's your staff for that money? makes no sense. tells me the...
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it shows the president's personal opinions about race in the katrina aftermath, and they say that nobody has even seen it before, but here's a speech they're talking about. we're going to take a look at it. it is june of 2007. then senator barack obama speaking at the university of virginia. looks like, of course, it was recorded at a stf have tv station, and that tv station, a cnn affiliate, and cnn covered a lot of the networks covered, as a matter of fact. it was not recently dug up, and it is not new. joe johns is watching the story very closely from washington. joe, first of all, in covering the candidate, i know it's not new. i mean, we all saw this speech. we covered it, and we covered the whole issue of reverend wright. very extensively with the president and even with the first lady in putting many questions to them about this. what's the fuss? >> well, suzanne, you know and i know this is a political year. it could be -- thinking they have an exclusive, running with it as soon as they saw it. either way safe to say, yes, this is old news. the reason it gets attention from conse
it shows the president's personal opinions about race in the katrina aftermath, and they say that nobody has even seen it before, but here's a speech they're talking about. we're going to take a look at it. it is june of 2007. then senator barack obama speaking at the university of virginia. looks like, of course, it was recorded at a stf have tv station, and that tv station, a cnn affiliate, and cnn covered a lot of the networks covered, as a matter of fact. it was not recently dug up, and it...
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comment to the video that surfaced just last night about the president talking about race and hurricane katrina. >> going into this debate, what to the numbers look like? >> president obama has an eight- point lead in the battleground state of ohio. he is up, but he is in a statistical dead heat in other critical states like florida and virginia. we will see if tonight moves those numbers. >> month after month after month, both have been campaigning. how have they prepared specifically for these debates? >> president, as you know, just arrived in denver today. he was hunkered down in las vegas for the last couple of days, preparing. today is his 20th wedding anniversary. we will see how much time he gets to spend with his wife. most of that time has been preparing for tonight. on the flip side, governor romney did prep in denver, but he has spent time in vermont, massachusetts, other locations with his staff getting ready for tonight. >> thank you very much. >> by the way, the debate is as close as your fingertips. share your thoughts and get up the san real time on our commitment 2012 smart ph
comment to the video that surfaced just last night about the president talking about race and hurricane katrina. >> going into this debate, what to the numbers look like? >> president obama has an eight- point lead in the battleground state of ohio. he is up, but he is in a statistical dead heat in other critical states like florida and virginia. we will see if tonight moves those numbers. >> month after month after month, both have been campaigning. how have they prepared...
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the other a 2007 video showing president obamab talking about race, the reverend wright and hurricane katrina. what are voters telling you? are these videos resonating? >> these voters are so worn down not only from the primary here in the state of new hampshire but over the past several months with the attack ads, back and forth, i don't know that they recognize either of the candidates if they weren't in slow motion in black and white. at the end of the day, i think what the voters are looking for is unless it's an extremely radical video, showing something -- even the 47% video which seemed to resonate with a lot of the country, that wasn't as big of a deal here in new hampshire. what people are looking for is what their solution is for jobs, the economy and things that are more substantive than viral videos unless it's, as i said, something really extreme. >> we'll look forward to some answers, honest answers. paul westcott, thank you. -[ taste buds ] donuts, donuts! -who are these guys? -oh, that's just my buds. -bacon. -my taste buds. -[ taste buds ] donuts. how about we try this new ki
the other a 2007 video showing president obamab talking about race, the reverend wright and hurricane katrina. what are voters telling you? are these videos resonating? >> these voters are so worn down not only from the primary here in the state of new hampshire but over the past several months with the attack ads, back and forth, i don't know that they recognize either of the candidates if they weren't in slow motion in black and white. at the end of the day, i think what the voters are...
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governments response to the pictims of hurricane katrina he blastee government lladers for requiring new orllans to match federal disaster funds, as required by the sttaford act....although thhy waived the requirement for othee disaster vvctims. (3:44) (fox video) (obama) "when 9-11 happened they aat.....said this is too seriouu we can't expect nyc to rebuild on its own....." and other disasters, like hurricane anddew, in floriia, got the same privilege.....butt not new orleans. (4:22) orleans...where's your dollar. as much...." these un-edited porttons of the presidents speech were osted on the daily caller....a conservattve website. t only took hours for parts of the video to be broadcast across tte country. among praissng obama's then minister jeremiah wright. (fox videoo (obama) "the guy who leader......"less than a year later... obama would distance himself from wright as the &prace heated up. the bama campaign calls the release of the video....a desperate attempt to inflame voters...ann breakk no ew ground. will it haveeaa impact....? (22:30:50) (vatz) "it doesn't seem to say '
governments response to the pictims of hurricane katrina he blastee government lladers for requiring new orllans to match federal disaster funds, as required by the sttaford act....although thhy waived the requirement for othee disaster vvctims. (3:44) (fox video) (obama) "when 9-11 happened they aat.....said this is too seriouu we can't expect nyc to rebuild on its own....." and other disasters, like hurricane anddew, in floriia, got the same privilege.....butt not new orleans....
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and we all know what happened on katrina. >> steve: we certainly do. it will be interesting tonight will the moderator of the presidential debate will ask mr. romney about the 47 comment. will they ask about this particular video that shows then senator obama showing that the neglect of new orleans was racial. >> down in new orleans, where they still have not rebuilt 20 months later. there is a federal law when you get reconstruction money from the federal government called the staford act and when you get federal matter you have to give a 10 percent match from the local government. when 9/11 happened in new york city, they waived the staford act. they said this is too serious of a problem and we can't expect new york city to lebuild on its own. forget that dollar. that was the right thing to do. what is happening down in new orleans? where is your dollar? where is your staford act money? it makes no sense. trust me, the bullet hasn't been taken out. it tells me that the people down in new orleans doesn't care as much. >> steve: you can see it in the e
and we all know what happened on katrina. >> steve: we certainly do. it will be interesting tonight will the moderator of the presidential debate will ask mr. romney about the 47 comment. will they ask about this particular video that shows then senator obama showing that the neglect of new orleans was racial. >> down in new orleans, where they still have not rebuilt 20 months later. there is a federal law when you get reconstruction money from the federal government called the...
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he compared the response to katrina to the 9/11 attacks and florida. bill: what are they saying about the video surfacing now? >> reporter: the obama campaign says it was open to press coverage and was covered extensively at the time. they blame mitt romney and his allies. the only thing wrong about this is we should -- they call these desperate attacks. bill: we are going to talk to ben lebolt later in the hour. their is enormous pressure on both sides. bret baier is the anchor of special report. the cohost of tonight's special debate coverage on the fox news channel. here is the figure. what you are hear being how this speech plays into tonight's debate if at all. >> reporter: here on the ground's not factoring in as far as the debate prep, as far as being a factor in the debate. it's not believed to be a question. it's probably not going to be something that's brought up by one of the two candidates. is it setting the table? is it what some people are talking about? i'm standing on a platform with a lot of different media and everybody next to me ta
he compared the response to katrina to the 9/11 attacks and florida. bill: what are they saying about the video surfacing now? >> reporter: the obama campaign says it was open to press coverage and was covered extensively at the time. they blame mitt romney and his allies. the only thing wrong about this is we should -- they call these desperate attacks. bill: we are going to talk to ben lebolt later in the hour. their is enormous pressure on both sides. bret baier is the anchor of...
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speech that the president gave five years ago where he was talking about the reaction to hurricane katrina and the inadequate reaction to hurricane ka treena. it's an interesting strategy by mitt romney and his allies that they want to defend the bush administration response. >> it sounds like you're saying -- >> it's a weird strategy. >> it sounds like you're saying -- >> i'm not saying mitt romney is responsible or the romney campaign is responsible. i do think it's allies to that campaign and they have the responsibility to stand up and say it was wrong. >> stephanie cutter, while she was talking, she had a spanish language reporter next to her. can you hear that noise? there was a plane flying by and a chopper over her head. so, thank you, stephanie, for dealing with those distractions as well. >> and it's cold out. >> and it's freezing cold. going to warm up, though. cnn, of course, will have complete coverage of tonight's debate that starts at 7:00 pm eastern right here on cnn and cnn.com. >>> john berman has other stories making news. >>> american airlines going to inspect 47 of its
speech that the president gave five years ago where he was talking about the reaction to hurricane katrina and the inadequate reaction to hurricane ka treena. it's an interesting strategy by mitt romney and his allies that they want to defend the bush administration response. >> it sounds like you're saying -- >> it's a weird strategy. >> it sounds like you're saying -- >> i'm not saying mitt romney is responsible or the romney campaign is responsible. i do think it's...
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here's where he's going off prepared remarks talking about how he says victims of katrina got shortchanged by the bush administration. >> what happened down in new orleans? where's your dollar? makes no sense. tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out. tells me that somehow the people down in new orleans, they don't care about as much. >> hannity then played this clip. >> we don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs if we have people in the cities right now who want to work but have no way to get to those jobs. >> hannity then came out and said this. >> this is what so-called unbiased journalists have been trying to hide for years, a glimpse into the mind of the real barack obama. and it's one that all americans need to pay close attention to. >> did journalists hide that? our research shows they did not. we dug into cnn's archives and found references in our coverage to the portion of the speech where obama talks about new orleans. this was on paula zahn's program the night before the speech. >> now nearly two years after hurricane katrina hit new orleans, obama insists our cou
here's where he's going off prepared remarks talking about how he says victims of katrina got shortchanged by the bush administration. >> what happened down in new orleans? where's your dollar? makes no sense. tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out. tells me that somehow the people down in new orleans, they don't care about as much. >> hannity then played this clip. >> we don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs if we have people in the cities right now who want...
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after katrina, the tourism industry dropped. at first, i thought i would find a job. when i didn't, i created a job. i started my own talent management company because that was an industry that had started to boom here. one year later, when that creating my own magazine. i'm actually doing well. i don't understand why people get stuck in the old ways. they don't realize that times are constantly changing. you have to constantly change with the times. host: what were some of the hurdles in reading the magazine an agency you created? caller: nothing other than my own need to be diligent and get set my goals and research and figure out how it is a need to go about creating my business. i researched what the likely sustainability of my business was like. i saw how it would be beneficial and how i would make it and not just sit back and expected to be beneficial but actually be proactive and do my research and reach out to organizations are free. a lot of your research you can find on line. there are so many programs were you don't have to physically go into a business to
after katrina, the tourism industry dropped. at first, i thought i would find a job. when i didn't, i created a job. i started my own talent management company because that was an industry that had started to boom here. one year later, when that creating my own magazine. i'm actually doing well. i don't understand why people get stuck in the old ways. they don't realize that times are constantly changing. you have to constantly change with the times. host: what were some of the hurdles in...
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senator obama adopted an accent and make what some see as racially charged comments with hurricane katrina. >> tells me somehow the people down in new orleans, they don't care about as much. >> reporter: conservatives already talking about what the president said and how he said it. >> i'm very surprised at the incredible southern accent, the president who was born in hawaii and lived in chicago. >> reporter: the obama campaign says this is an attempt to distract voters from the video of mitt romney, where he says 47% of the country feels entitled to benefits. both issues could come up at the debate tonight, which is supposed to focus on domestic issues. mitt romney took a break, making a stop for fast food. president obama also going through the paces at a nevada resort. both bracing themselves for this stage and whatever wrinkles still emerge. both of these videos play into one of the big topics tonight, and that's the role of government in people's lives. in washington, doug luzader, fox news. >>> we have continuing coverage of the debate prep all morning long, including chats later, an
senator obama adopted an accent and make what some see as racially charged comments with hurricane katrina. >> tells me somehow the people down in new orleans, they don't care about as much. >> reporter: conservatives already talking about what the president said and how he said it. >> i'm very surprised at the incredible southern accent, the president who was born in hawaii and lived in chicago. >> reporter: the obama campaign says this is an attempt to distract voters...
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obama in 2007 talking to a black crowd about the bush administration's failed response to hurricane katrina. republicans are highly critical saying it shows the president appealing to racial solidarity. they are touting it as a newly uncovered clip. this was already reported on in 2007 when it happened and much of that reporting came from the very same news organizations who today are calling this new video. the obama campaign said it's a desperate attempt to shift the conversation away from romney's 47% remark and obama spokesman ben leebolt said if the republicans are going for this sort of attack at the debate tonight, they are in for a surprise. more coming up after the break. stay with us. you're about to watch an ad message created by a current tv viewer for capella university. matter. education is the key. it is the vehicle. it's the way in which we evolve. every journey is different every possibility is unique. but the beginning, the beginning is my craft. i'm an ordinary person striving to achieve extraordinary things. it started with a dream and i'm on my way there. hershey's drop
obama in 2007 talking to a black crowd about the bush administration's failed response to hurricane katrina. republicans are highly critical saying it shows the president appealing to racial solidarity. they are touting it as a newly uncovered clip. this was already reported on in 2007 when it happened and much of that reporting came from the very same news organizations who today are calling this new video. the obama campaign said it's a desperate attempt to shift the conversation away from...
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the president was critical among other things of the government's response to hurricane katrina. >> when hurricane andrew struck in florida, people said, look at this devastation. we don't expect you to come up with your own money. here. here's the money to rebuild. we're not going to wait for you to scratch it together. because you're part of the american family. what's happening down in new orleans? where's your dollar? where's your stafford act money? it makes no sense. it tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out. it tells me that somehow the people down in new orleans, they don't care about as much. >> so at the same time yesterday, there was another video posted on the huffington post showing congressman paul ryan speaking in november of 2011 about ten months ago about a moral tipping point in the united states. that was six months before mitt romney's 47% remarks. >> before too long, we could become a society we were never, ever intended to be. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers, not makers. today, 70% of americans get more benefits from the f
the president was critical among other things of the government's response to hurricane katrina. >> when hurricane andrew struck in florida, people said, look at this devastation. we don't expect you to come up with your own money. here. here's the money to rebuild. we're not going to wait for you to scratch it together. because you're part of the american family. what's happening down in new orleans? where's your dollar? where's your stafford act money? it makes no sense. it tells me the...
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[laughter] this was of course after katrina. we have a -- had a five refuges and our house. my wife is from new orleans. it was infuriating to see fema's reaction. -- we are from fema, we got here as fast as we could. we understand a cow started a fire? [laughter] and this is what i'm talking about. and sometimes the curtains are serious. humor is a great vehicle to express your opinion. but there are days when you take your foot off of your throat. when we are debating security versus civil liberty, and it is an uncle sam -- so, where do i draw the line? i really like the drawing. sometimes you actually talk like you did not draw it yourself. because it turned out well. but his posture is tortured. i have always liked this drawing. the president, of course, the current president likes to smoke. claims he spent. -- claims he quit. it is like unfiltered spending. he says i can't seem to quit. and republicans have their problems. people say it is my turn. from bulk, to mccain, to mitt romney. i was lucky enough to cover both conventions. i have to tell you, at the republican c
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it was used during hurricane katrina to help in the efforts there and other humanitarian efforts around the world. so pretty impressive. of course we have the blue angels live sponsored by jeep on kron 4 hosted by mark daniel. 3:00 p.m., saturday, october 6th. >>> let's get to weather and traffic. we mentioned george a second ago. he's following several hot spots.things are not getting mu better, james. we're still tracking major delays on a number of freeways, east bay and south bay starting 480 in the westbound direction. the ride into livermore out of the altamont pass is not so bad getting into dublin now but look at this drive time, 55 minutes to get to the dublin interchange from the 205 interchange. it's actually slow before there. then we still have ongoing problems here for the ride through hayward on the nimitz freeway southbound, backed up in -- from the south end of oakland coming into san leandro. it's a solid backup there for the trip to highway 92. then, across the bay, continuing problems here for 101 in both directions around 92 but especially on the southbound side. th
it was used during hurricane katrina to help in the efforts there and other humanitarian efforts around the world. so pretty impressive. of course we have the blue angels live sponsored by jeep on kron 4 hosted by mark daniel. 3:00 p.m., saturday, october 6th. >>> let's get to weather and traffic. we mentioned george a second ago. he's following several hot spots.things are not getting mu better, james. we're still tracking major delays on a number of freeways, east bay and south bay...